並前往https://medium.com/hoost/podcast-%E9%9F%B3%E6%A8%82%E5%8F%8A%E9%9F%B3%E6%95%88-10-%E5%80%8B%E7%B4%A0%E6%9D%90%E7%B6%B2%E7%AB%99%E6%8E%A8%E8%96%A6-47a3bbc3962f
