並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/%E4%B8%AD%E5%A4%A7%E9%96%8B%E6%94%BE%E5%BC%8F%E8%AA%B2%E7%A8%8B-%E5%B2%A9%E7%9F%B3%E5%8A%9B%E5%AD%B8-%E8%91%A3%E5%AE%B6%E9%88%9E/id470794494