並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep10-%E5%B0%88%E6%A5%AD-%E7%9A%84%E9%87%8D%E8%A6%81%E6%80%A7-%E7%BE%8E%E8%AA%9E%E8%80%81%E5%B8%AB-%E8%8F%AF%E8%AA%9E%E8%80%81%E5%B8%AB%E4%BA%BA%E7%94%9F%E7%94%98%E8%8B%A6%E8%AB%87/id1526189412?i=1000502452519