並前往https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-1-monday-talking-%E8%8A%AF%E6%B8%AC%E7%A7%91%E6%8A%80%E5%9C%A8%E5%81%9A%E4%BB%80%E9%BA%BC/id1561573389?i=1000516122269