並前往https://www.tokyotrodcast.co/%E8%87%BA%E5%8C%97%E5%B8%82%E5%BF%A0%E5%AD%9D%E6%9D%B1%E8%B7%AF%E4%B8%80%E6%AE%B5-12-%E8%99%9F/